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Gestapo and SOCA – how similar?

by IanP on Thu 15 Feb 2007 06:58 GMT | Permanent Link | Cosmos

Are we in the process of setting up either a Secret Police force, or a Gestapo type political organisation in Britain?. Whether intentional or not, lets explore the similarities between what we already know went before, and where this country is going now.

The GESTAPO was the political police force of the Reich. Much of its personnel consisted of transferees from former police forces of the States.

Membership in the GESTAPO was voluntary, and it had a membership of about 40,000 or 50,000 in 1943-45. The GESTAPO was founded in April 1933 by Goering to serve as a political police force in Prussia. Himmler was named Deputy Chief of the GESTAPO in Prussia in 1934.

The GESTAPO, through its great power of arrest and confinement to concentration camps without recourse to law, was the principal means for eliminating enemies of the Nazi regime.

The headquarters organization of the GESTAPO (Amt IV of the RSHA) was set up on a functional basis.

In 1943 it contained six sub-sections.

Section A dealt with opponents, sabotage, and protective service.
Section B dealt with political churches, sects and Jews, and was subdivided into four offices, including B4, which was responsible for Jewish affairs, matters of evacuation, means of suppressing enemies of the people and State, dispossession of rights of German citizenship. (Eichmann was head of this office).
Section C dealt with card files, protective custody, and matters of press and Party.
Section D dealt with regions under greater German influence.
Section E dealt with security.
Section F dealt with passport matters alien police.

Subordinate offices of the GESTAPO were established throughout the Reich and designated as Staats Polizeileitstellen or Staats Polizeistellen, depending upon the size of the office. These offices reported directly to the RSHA in Berlin but were subject to the supervision of Inspekteurs of the Security Police in the various provinces. In the occupied territories the regional offices of the GESTAPO were coordinated with the Criminal Police and the SD under Kommandeurs of the Security Police and SD.

The great power of the GESTAPO was "Schutzhaft" -- the power to imprison people without judicial proceedings on the theory of "protective custody." This power was based upon the law of 28 February 1933 which suspended the clauses of the Weimar Constitution guaranteeing civil liberties to the German people. The actions and orders of the GESTAPO were not subject to judicial review. Under the law of 30 November 1933 the only redress available was by appeal to the next higher authority within the GESTAPO itself.

Now, if we put this into a modern and British scenario, lets see what we could see.

The GESTAPO was the political police force of the Reich. Much of its personnel consisted of transferees from former police forces of the States.

The SOCA is the political police force of the UK Government. Much of its personnel consist of transferees from police forces, the HMRC and Immigration.

Membership in the GESTAPO was voluntary, and it had a membership of about 40,000 or 50,000 in 1943-45. (10 years after its establishment).

Membership of SOCA is voluntary, and it currently has a membership of about 4,200 in year one, expected to grow substantially over 5-10 years. Recruitment is currently underway.

The GESTAPO was founded in April 1933 by Goering to serve as a political police force in Prussia. Himmler was named Deputy Chief of the GESTAPO in Prussia in 1934.

The SOCA was founded in 2006 by Charles Clarke the then Home secretary, as an Executive Non-Departmental Public Body sponsored by and operationally reporting to the Home Office.

Unlike conventional Police forces, The SOCA does not have a chief constable, but has a Chair and Director General who are appointed by the Home Secretary, and are responsible for everything SOCA does operationally and administratively.

The GESTAPO, through its great power of arrest and confinement to prisons and concentration camps without recourse to law, was the principal means for eliminating enemies of the Nazi regime. Enemies not only included the millions of Jews who suffered at the hands of the Nazi’s, it must also be remembered that hundreds of thousands of Blacks, Gypsies, mentally ill, disabled, trade unionists, political opponents, homosexuals, child molesters, fraudsters, organised criminals, smugglers, petty criminals and social misfits also suffered along side them.

The SOCA through its great power of arrest and confinement under the Serious and Organised Crime Act 2005, is the principal means to removing political protest to Government, which restricts the right to demonstrate within an exclusion zone of up to one kilometre from any point in Parliament Square, including Whitehall, Downing Street, Westminster Abbey, the Middlesex Guildhall, New Scotland Yard, and the Home Office. It also covers a sliver of land on the other bank of the River Thames, including County Hall, the Jubilee Gardens, St Thomas' Hospital and the London Eye. Government is currently planning new political restriction areas across the UK.

The headquarters organization of the GESTAPO (Amt IV of the RSHA) was set up on a functional basis.

In 1943 it contained six sub-sections. (by then it had 10 years development).

Section A dealt with opponents, sabotage, and protective service.
Section B dealt with political churches, sects and Jews, and was subdivided into four offices, including B4, which was responsible for Jewish affairs, matters of evacuation, means of suppressing enemies of the people and State, dispossession of rights of German citizenship. (Eichmann was head of this office).
Section C dealt with card files, protective custody, and matters of press and Party.
Section D dealt with regions under greater German influence.
Section E dealt with security.
Section F dealt with passport matters and police.

The SOCA has several functions. Although SOCA is primarily a police force, so was the Gestapo during its formation, and the list above comes after the Gestapo had been in existence for 10 years, but as we see with section 132 of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act, it is already being used for political purposes, and we expect new Statutory Instruments to change its makeup over subsequent years.

Remember that 64 years have passed since the Gestapo structure above, and technology now plays a major part in our lives, paper systems are replaced by electronic systems, so one Gestapo can now equate to multiple electronically connected government agencies.

Look at the other enabled statutes that have come into force over the past 10 years (many listed below) and include the working links from SOCA to other enforcement agencies, such as HMRC, DWP, Police forces, Immigration, SIS, MI5, Passport, DVLA, Child Protection, Prison Service, and the Cabinet Office, now include the Government plans for Data Sharing between all of these agencies, change card files to ID Card, instead of Jews substitute Muslims, then the list above looks remarkably and frighteningly similar.

The National Identity Register (NIR), and the ID card scheme will tie all the above together.

Subordinate offices of the GESTAPO were established throughout the Reich and designated as Staats Polizeileitstellen or Staats Polizeistellen, depending upon the size of the office. These offices reported directly to the RSHA in Berlin but were subject to the supervision of Inspekteurs of the Security Police in the various provinces. In the occupied territories the regional offices of the GESTAPO were coordinated with the Criminal Police and the SD under Kommandeurs of the Security Police and SD.

The UK government is in the process of setting up ID interrogation centres, to begin with there will be 69, plus existing Passport Offices, and will be housed primarily within a Revenue Enquiry Centre or other HMRC building. See here for a list, and will work closely with Police forces and security services.

Once in these Interrogation Centres, people will be subjected to background checks, questioning to test their story against official records, photographs and fingerprinting. Registration on the national ID database(s) - the 'National Identity Register' will begin sometime this year. (Note that the Government call them ‘Interrogation Centres’).

The great power of the GESTAPO was "Schutzhaft" -- the power to imprison people without judicial proceedings on the theory of "protective custody." This power was based upon the law of 28 February 1933 which suspended the clauses of the Weimar Constitution guaranteeing civil liberties to the German people. The actions and orders of the GESTAPO were not subject to judicial review. Under the law of 30 November 1933 the only redress available was by appeal to the next higher authority within the GESTAPO itself.

The changes to the Mental Health Act will give SOCA and the Police almost the same power.

There are changes underway at present to allow trial without Jury, currently limited to complicated fraud cases and parts of the Terrorism Act, but once established as a legal precedent, it will be possible to enabled it across other Acts.

The Acts and amendments listed below give unprecedented powers to the Police, SOCA, HMRC, FSA, Local Authorities, BAA, Weights and Measures, DWP and many other agencies, to arrest without evidence, many without warrant, and virtually every one of them excludes itself from the Freedom of Information Act. This means that we will never be able to know how many people have been arrested under some of these Acts, or how many people have been ‘disappeared’ into custody or, if John Reid and Sir Ian Blair get their way ‘Camps’.

I do believe that this adds weight to the argument that we are sleepwalking into both a surveillance society and a police state.

And remember, Adolf Hitler convinced his people that all of this consolidation of power was needed for their security, because they were being terrorised and under threat from the nations around them.

The big lie then was Security, the big lie now is exactly the same.

The list below is by no means definitive, further references can be found on the UK Statute Law Database here.

Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006 What the Liberals call The Removal of Parliament Act.

Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005

The Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (Consequential and Supplementary Amendments to Secondary Legislation) Order 2006

The Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (Application and Modification of Certain Enactments to Designated Staff of SOCA) Order 2006

The Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (Delegation under section 43) Order 2006

The Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (Commencement No. 5 and Transitional and Transitory Provisions and Savings) Order 2006

Terrorism Act 2006,

Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006,

Identity Cards Act 2006

Finance Act 2006